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Well, the case against a surreal straw man, rather. Having read the article its clear that Matt Stephens has made no attempt to try any of the practices. The rebuttal to Ron's rebuttal indicates just how little thought Mr Stephens has put into his criticisms. He's not going to be reasoned out of his beliefs sice he wasn't reasoned into them. Since Mr Stephens is based in the south-east, why not invite him along to XtC one evening, might do more to challenge the guy's predjudices than all of Ron's well intentioned hyper-rationalisms. Meanwhile, we can assume that if XP can provoke such fear and loathing in someone with ten years experience (and at that ten years of hellish death-marches, by the sound of it), we're probably on the right track. --KeithB Maybe I'm getting tired or old, but I'm surprised that Ron even bothered to reply. I don't believe either side can win this type of tiresome argument. The best I could hope would be to work with Matt (the original author) on an XP-like project. -- PaulS It is noticeable that in the debate about XP the protagonists fall into two groups - those who have never tried XP because they know it wont work, and those who have tried it and know from experience that it does. Does anyone here know of any XP critics who have actually tried the practices for real, and still believes it doesn't work? If XP was as lame as was made out in that article then they would not be hard to find. I think it would be entertaining to invite Mr Stephens down for an evening, but as Keith points out, he is unlikely to change his beliefs as a result (nor are we). -- DaveKirby ³rev³6³TheCaseAgainstX ³³date³October 23, 2001³host³³agent³Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows NT 4.0; Orchestream Ltd.)³TheCaseAgainstXP
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